bill simmons hall of fame pyramid updated

1989 For anyone else that wants to create a pyramid for this year's nominations here is a format for everyone to follow in order to create some structure follow this format. 4. Tier 3 - Tupac Shakur, Pearl Jam Bill Simmons definitely understands basketball. 3. 7. The Animals Earth, Wind & Fire: 8/10 1998 Since then, he has mentioned in episodes of his podcast numerous changes that he has made to this list. Ray Allen [up from Level 1, below McAdoo]. Nina Simone (Level 2) 212. Eventually, the powers that be will finally realize that Rush deserves to have a spot on the third tier, if not the fourth tier. Gladys Knight and the Pips I blame the clowns on the committee for it - but Deep Purple should be on this list AND at level 3. Ricky Nelson: 9/10 The Lion King, Posted by Andrew on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 20:04pm. Paul Simon Dezmond, I won't go into a full-blown rant about my distaste for Neil Young, but I'll leave you with this nugget: I can generally be objective about artists whose music I'm not overly fond of (Frank Sinatra, The Beatles, Miles Davis, Bob Dylan). 9/10 = All Time Greats Jackie Wilson: 10/10 Cat Stevens 162. In the case of Ray Charles, the musical influence he had is so massively widespread across multiple genres, so well documented, and seemingly so obvious to the ears of anybody with half a musical ear who takes the time to actually listen to what popular music sounded like before he began having hits and what it sounded like after those hits; that your statement that you "don't see the influence" marks you as either too historically uneducated or too biased by your tastes to really be a serious participant in evaluating such topics of discussion. Ramones: 10/10 RHCP: 9/10 The Moody Blues, when inducted, should sit on the 5th tier. Talented as hell, but weird as hell. Black Sabbath I like them for what they were, and not the over-hyped myth. 135. Percy Sledge: Influenced Al Green and the Allman Brothers Band. Is it fair to swap players based on one series at the tail end of their careers? Leonard Cohen: 7/10 2021: You want to know about influence? 120. 4) MARTHA & THE VANDELLAS at # 96 The comments in this section have also been helpful, and of course, my own personal opinions, tastes and whatnot. Little Anthony and the Imperials 105. "Who's Loving You" The Jackson 5, En Vogue, Terence Trent D'Arby, Brenda Holloway, The Supremes, The Temptations, Honey Cone, Stevie B., Archie Bell & the Drells, Nikka Costa. It started out as 12 and then multiples of 12 but you have had several yeas of new inductees since then. 38. Then he takes it further by completely reevaluating not only how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine Joan Baez- 4 Adande. Posted by Philip on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 10:50am. At present, either James Taylor or Laura NyroI'd say James Taylor 96. Most mean inductee? Nope! Current popularity and connection to grunge aside, Neil Young isn't worthy of the high ranking he's been afforded. Neil Young 171. Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05/11/2013 @ 22:12pm, Rolling Stones below zeppelin and the beach Boys? 1. - I didn't change any rankings for anyone who retired before that year. Posted by KXB on Wednesday, 08/3/2016 @ 12:10pm. "I Second That Emotion" Japan, Michael McDonald, Kiki Dee, The Manhattan Transfer, Jerry Garcia, Diana Ross & the Supremes with the Temptations, 10db, Tammy Wynette, Jos Feliciano, Emilie, Stuck In The Middle, Thelma Jones. 85. Tracy McGrady, 89. Yes Biggie Smalls-4 Posted by Yours Truly on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 22:40pm. Crosby, Stills & Nash: 7/10 Bob Marley "After All" The Supremes, The Marvelettes. See the rankings as for this Basketball Hall of Fame Sets set on 9/12/2021 10:02:25 PM. I agree about John Lennon. I might be a better athlete than Stockton (not true). Robert Horry, 97. The Bee Gees: 9/10 :) 46. 1995 53. Also, Phil Spector is probably the 'meanest' of all the HOFers in that he's a criminally insane psychopath who was unhinged for decades before murdering Lana Clarkson (a classic example being him bringing a bag of coins to a divorce hearing to make his first alimony payment to Ronnie Spector as well as his repeated assaults and death threats to her). Anyone voted in simply because they reached a benchmark (sold lots of records, had a lot of hits, etc.) I didn't ask for it. That's at least 70+ years of music I'm combing through and constantly digging up gems. Oh found NIN. All my earlier kidding aside, here's how I'd fix the pyramid: Listen, he's going to win his 2nd MVP award at some point in the next few months. The Flamingos: 6/10 Charles Barkley, 22. Rating Numbers: 70. Eddie Cochran: 9/10 Bonnie Raitt: 7/10 Favorite Hip-Hop inductee? 1999 Torae, and others. Playing off the NBAs dramatic changes during the past decade, Bill uses new commentary and fresh interviews with players and top media members to determine how the league has evolved and where its headed. Steve Nash, 41. 153. Run - DMC: 10/10 Eminem: 10/10 Comments. 2004 The ones who should move up? 19. Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five: 8/10 Chicago- 4 Foo Fighters: 8/10 95. Jack Twyman, 107. 28. Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 12/9/2013 @ 00:01am, Might be interesting to some here: Up 2-0 in the Western Finals and riding a 20-game winning streak, the seemingly invincible Spurs are demolished by Kevin Durant and a Thunder team that peaked at the perfect time. See the rankings as for this Basketball Hall of Fame Sets set on 2/1/2022 1:11:50 PM. Posted by Corey Finn on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 14:23pm, 2022 inductees: Tier 5 looks pretty solid. The Yardbirds The Buddy Holly Story [same thing here] 196. Billy Cunningham, 55. Simon and Garfunkel Gene Pitney: 5/10 Y'all haven't added the new inductees yet:Chicago,Cheap Trick,NWA,Steve Miller and Deep Purple. Sabbath, Metallica, Johnny Cash, R.E.M. Theyre not even one of my favorite bands, but with one album they changed the genre of punk and did more for the British music scene than bands like Yes could ever dream of doing. Like everyone else, there's a few changes I would make. Posted by Bill G on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 04:26am. (This is an incomplete list, as songs by the Miracles continue to be covered by more artists each year) Yes: 7/10 "Bad Girl" Dazz Band. Good pyramid. target="_blank" title="http://www.beat.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/630_315sr/images/article/header/2013/april/lilb.jpg[/img]">http://www.beat.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/630_315sr/images/article/header/2013/april/lilb.jpg[/img], Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 18:26pm. 147. The chances of me ever getting back into The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, and their compatriots are practically nonexistent. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/01/every-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductee-ranked-from-best-to-bon-jovi.html Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Eminem (Level 4) Electric Light Orchestra - 1 Run-DMC - Formatting might look weird, but I didn't want to take up crazy amounts of space. Please note that joining is free of charge you don't pay any dine to become member and to contact us here is our mobile number +13092795479 and also here is our directly email [email protected] join one join all. Sex Pistols (Level 3) Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 08/3/2016 @ 19:16pm. Look at this list of artists that have COVERED The MIRACLES' SONGSand tell me that they DON'T belong at level 4: From Wikipedia: He could've complained about being a 6th man, but didn't. Dominique Wilkins, 63. Was Shaquille ONeal the one Pantheon player who could have been top five if he really wanted it? Off the top of my head, I think it was something like MJ, LBJ, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Duncan, Kobe, West, Oscar, Hakeem, Shaq, Moses, KD. 5/10 = Average/Borderline Darlene Love: 3/10 John Lennon should be moved way, way down. "Special Occasion - Jim Gilstrap. The Outsiders Blake Griffin doesn't make the Pyramid, but he was a Top 3 guy for a few years there. 78. 116. ELO 7. Artis Gilmore, 87. Two Oscars, helped gave popularity in industrial rock, and be a mostly one man band (where at the time was unheard of) to say the least. Brenda Lee: 6/10 Back To The Future 4/10 = Marginal 138. I can nitpick about some of the placements, but a solid list nonetheless, I hate the Warriors but this is underselling Curry. Sure, they influenced Green Day and some others. Deep Purple: 7/10 "I've Been Good To You" Marshall Crenshaw, Brenda Holloway, Joe Meek, The Temptones, Ray, Goodman & Brown (The Moments), The Ones, The Temptations. 2. Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/7/2019 @ 21:17pm. As happy as I am with this year's ballot, I don't think any of these artists could place above a level 2. Posted by Joe on Friday, 12/18/2015 @ 02:56am, For what it's worth (and my guess), the levels for the new inductees would be: Bon Jovi would, naturally, be closer to the bottom, Posted by Tyler Partnow on Tuesday, 09/25/2018 @ 20:19pm. 1998 Jelly Roll Morton The only thing that makes sense in this pyramid is that Beatles is the top followed by Led Zeppelin (which should have had the name Pink Floyd next to it followed by Chuck Bery and Dylan--Dylan had some of the best music out there but surely enough it could never be as tight as LZ). 155. I've hated Young's music since my teen years, when I was in my rockist phase (Rather odd saying that, considering Young is a rockist fave). Where's number 5? 74 Paul McCartney I'm not going to rehash the r/NBA argument about Harden. 49. 208. 1993 35. Heart Carly Simon: 6/10, Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 05:01am. Throw in Dirk's career numbers which are amazing when you look at them and he belongs in this spot. Sometimes his team wasn't good enough. The guy's impact has been very strongly compared to Picasso i really have a hard time seeing him not being capable of being a 5 even if he's blacklisted by the hall for years. Wilt, 6. ZZ Top: 7/10 178. Not a shock, since they also decided it was a good idea to put in Nile Rodgers as a sideman when substantially all his HOF credentials were through Chic (which he himself acknowledged), which ironically has destroyed Chic's chances (since they technically can't factor him in as he was inducted on his work with Chic amongst other groups). If he comes back 100% and leads Brooklyn to a title? Posted by Nick Too many, though I'd probably say the Stones for starters. The first few years were really good. -the Non-Performers? By the way, do you guys think I was right in picking The Zombies and Bon Jovi (both level 1) for "great short career" and "very good long career" or would other acts fit those terms better? 106. Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 14:03pm. Electric Light Orchestra - 1 And of course not inducting producers like Eno, Rodgers, Perry, Rundgren, etc. Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? The Mavs had Dirk, a semi-washed Kidd, Tyson Chandler, two diminutive scorers and 80% of Shawn Marion. Level 1: . The present facility was officially dedicated May 26, 1973 and has since had two additions. 1999 Joni Mitchell: 9/10 226. Bill Sharman, 60. Kraftwerk if they ever get in deserves at least a 4, comparable to the Velvet Underground for a band with little commercial success (in the USA anyway) that had major long term impacts on the course of future music trends. In a word, no. Most weird inductee? T. Rex-1, maybe 2 7. "You've Got The Love I Need" - J Dilla, Raekwon. Jimmy Reed 2016 by fjdbookreview. ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? Nina Simone Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 09:34am, In my honest opinion, Rush should also be placed a lot higher, at least, preferably in the middle of the 4th tier, slightly lower than Pink Floyd and slightly below, soon to be inducted, Yes. HARDLY !! New York Dolls (Level 1) 1988 Madonna: 10/10 "Happy Landing" - The Temptations. Parliament - Funkadelic: 10/10 Get Museum Tickets Otis Redding Pat Benatar: 6/10 Devo (Level 1) Quietest: George Harrison, John Deacon (Queen) Yes, they're called idiots (just like the ~2% that didn't vote for Cobb, ~5% of voters that didn't vote for Ruth and Wagner, ~9% of voters that didn't vote for Mathewson and ~16% of voters that didn't vote for Johnson, or the idiots that took three years to vote in DiMaggio). "A Legend In Its Own Time" J Dilla (as an exercept of his song "One Eleven"). Axl Rose managed to alienate the rest of GNR when the success went to his head and forced them to sign over the rights to the band name. 113. "Shop Around" Captain & Tennille, Don Bryant, The Astronauts, The Allusions, and Georgie Fame, Neil Merryweather and Lynn Carey, among numerous others. 3. Posted by Corey Finn on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 11:14am. It was a hell of a three seasons spaced out over six years, but it was just three seasons. Michael Jackson, but considering his upbringing I can't really blame him for that. Not too many others, outside of one or two really obvious choices. Sure. Deep Purple- 4 Joan Baez Bobby Darin The only artist from the last two years that I'd move up would be Nine Inch Nails. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. "Got A Job" The Marcels "Lower-tier Bob Dylan"? "(You Can't Let the Boy Overpower) The Man In You" Chuck Jackson 2Pac - 2 Pete Maravich, 77. And, while you're thinking about THAT, Consider THIS: Seriously? depeche mode - 2 or 3 I can forgive MJ being ranked above the King (though I disagree), but Madge over the Fab Four? "We've Come Too Far To End It Now"-The Escorts Prince 30. 89. Posted by Philip on Friday, 07/29/2016 @ 14:35pm. whitney houston - 3 or 4 But as long as they are moved up to the 4th tier, I will not be very disappointed. Most civilized inductee? Journey 69. 20. 115. Electric Light Orchestra Is there any way we can realign the pyramid with the artist rankings we did over the course of last year? He popularized the stretch 4 in some respects as he extended his range out towards the back half of The Heatles experiment. Fats Domino comes off as a classy and humble man in every interview and film I've seen of him. Read our Privacy Policy and Cookie Policy to get more information and learn how to set up your preferences. Sex Pistols: 9/10 Red Hot Chili Peppers 5/10 = Average/Borderline And believe it or not, but I actually like them. 209. Almost all of their hits were self-written, making them unique among Motown acts. Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:40pm, Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 18:43pm. The Great Bill Simmons.. Aight. Who isn't? Sex Pistols: 9/10 Stevie Wonder: 10/10 2. "How many of YOUR favorites can boast of a list that LONG ???" The Cure are my fave band and I think they have been highly influential on the new generation, they are celebrating their 40th anniversary as a band and still playing live yearly (suck on that, Rolling Stones), and I'm pretty happy with them as a 2. 1988 Lead Belly Lionel Richie: 6/10 Lyrics to me are merely a supplement to music. Bob Dylan: 10/10 If we are using Bill Simmons' basketball pyramid as a model, it's like saying nobody performed top-notch basketball after Wilt Chamberlain was on the scene. Most civilized inductee: Chuck D, Bruce Springsteen, Fats Domino. I'll do this by at least 3 or 4 parts. Over the past two-three years, I've become heavily enamored with blues, jazz, bluegrass, country/western, and even old Tin Pan Alley/classic standards. Bob Seger: 7/10 Level 1 Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 21:45pm. Monty Python's Life of Brian "Influence" is not really a matter of opinion. "You've Got The Love I Need" - J Dilla, Raekwon. ha-ha. The Band Level 2 Miles Davis Thanks! You could even have 5 levels of 3 artist at each level) He's going to jump 30-40 spots regardless. 34. 39. Any music released from the early 90s onwards that involves a drum kit and electric guitar has been influenced by Metallica in one way or another, from commercial/stadium rock to the most inaccessible of extreme metal. Had Dirk, a semi-washed Kidd, Tyson Chandler, two diminutive scorers and 80 % Shawn. 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